F650 GS Dyno Runs FAQ
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Last Updated: 18 April 2006
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Dyno Run #1 (OEM F650 GS Bike)
Original Link provided by Robert #1071
http://home.t-online.de/home/bbpower/f650st1.htm
STD Horsepower (Stock Bike) |
- This is the Dyno Curve for a Stock Bike
- BMW got it just right
- I don't see any room for improvement with the Stock Bike setup
42 HP at the Rear Wheel
+ 6 HP Lost through the Clutch (Measured)
+ 3 HP Lost through the Primary Drive Clutch (Estimated)
51 HP at the Motor
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Torque (Stock Bike) |
- The maximum SAE Corrected Torque of the 650ccm Motor is developed
at 5.4 kg-m
- At around 5500 rpm it starts to run out of puff.
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Comments on this run:
- The Stock Engine is obviously particularly limited by a
"Tame" cam shaft. Attempts with a better exhaust system also
resulted in no improvement.
- A better result from tuning can probably only really be achieved
with different cams and larger valves to improve the gas change. A sport
exhaust system is probably also desirable. I look forward to being able to
prepare the first tuned machine.
- There is no simple plug-in EPROM in the Motronic. It is soldered,
making a normal exchange only possible with a socket insert. I do not have
the possibility to upgrade or modify the software over the service plug,
as with the BMW service computer.
Dyno Run #2: Dakar +Staintune +K&N +FuelNanny -O2Sensor
provided by Beau A #645
Dakar +Staintune +K&N +FuelNanny -O2Sensor |
Here are the Dyno results from my 01 F650GS Dakar with these
modifications:
- Staintune exhaust w/o baffle
- Airbox modification from Techlusion website
- K & N Airfilter
- Techlusion PowerBox (Fuel Nanny)
- BMW 7.0 software upgrade & injector
- 02 sensor has been disconnected also
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The max horsepower and torque figures are at 6300 r.p.m.'s. There is
a steady rise from both H.P. and torque from 3500 up to 6300. At present,
one major area of concern was the constant stalling while approaching
intersections stop signs etc. We tried to duplicate a stall on the Dyno
but never did. What little time I got to spend on the bike this w/e, the
improvements were significant. With the baffle installed, there was a 3 HP
decline. I'll report back and please inform me if I need to go back to the
drawing board on the Dyno.
Maximum Horsepower is 41.8
Maximum Torque is 39.7
My ace tuner is Brian Nallin and he builds dirt-track, and drag racing
machines, (Rotax and H-D). I hope you will find this information useful
and I am sure we will have more info in the near future.
You can reach Brian Nallin @
Phone (318) 631-6747
Fax (318) 631-9798
Web & e-mail www.nallinracing.com,
nascar@shrevenet
Comments on this run:
- My standard (except for K&N filter to get shot of BMW job)
Classic put out 41.8 on a Dyno when it only had 5000 miles on the clock.
The test came free with a pair of boots I bought at a dealers sale day,
BTW. Either the tuning is horribly wrong or the exhaust etc. has no real
effect except on fuel consumption. I suspect its a bit of both. Andy
Leeds UK #982
- Motorcycle Consumer News tested the 1997 F650ST in February 1997
on a Dyno Jet Dyno and got 42.2 HP at 6,500 rpm and 38 lb. ft. of torque
at 5,000 rpm. Richard #230
- Hi Beau, if I understand it the right way you made the same
modifications as described at
http://www.techlusion.com/F650.htm
isn't it? But you haven't got an increase of power. Besides I have always
wondered if the brown curve is a fake as it is not ending at the rev
limit. To change that rev limit is nearly not possible. Since one year I
am experimenting with the remapping of the software and the only thing I
can change is the ignition point. Robert #1071
Dyno Run #3: Fuel Nanny + Staintune (Techlusion)
From:
http://www.techlusion.com/F650.htm
Before: 2001 F650GS w/Staintune Exhaust
After: 2001 F650GS w/Staintune Exhaust and:
- 83i PowerBox
- K&N (prototype) Filter,
- Air Snorkel Modification.
Dyno Run #4: Various S/W versions
by Robert #1071
Interestingly all three curves - old European soft 5000, 5000 with
more pre-ignition and the current 8000 - are identical.
Unfortunately the AFR (Air-Fuel-Ratio)-meter did not work on that day.
- On the other hand there is no doubt that the Version 5000 has the
worst emissions. In real life Version 5000 is running best. The main
reason is that the 5000 is running open loop beyond 2000 RPM.
- The later versions (I have 7000 and 8000) are running closed loop
up to 4500 RPM. closed loop = the lambda sensor value is taken into
account. So there is absolutely no surging and a better throttle response
when using the 5000 as a. the mixture is richer and b. the relatively weak
ECU (Electronic Control Unit) has not so much to do.
- Concerning the max velocity all versions are very similar.
Interestingly with the 7000 (=9.3) my F650GS had the best top speed
whereas the 7000 had the worst driving comfort (a lot of surging).
In addition I have that 5000 with more pre-ignition (red curve). I think
I can feel more torque in real life but I cannot prove it.
- The main difference to the original 5000 is the fuel consumption.
When driving at full throttle there is no difference but at slow driving,
e.g. city traffic, there is a decrease of about 20%.
Dyno Run #5: Two Brothers Exhaust
Dyno Run #6: Adventure Pipe
submitted by Rodnock
Dyno Test results of F650GS Snorkel modification, K&N Filter,
Adventure Pipe exhaust, and Techlusion TFI systems
Dyno test results of Snorkel (intake plenum) modifications, and
separately the addition of a K&N air filter showed no change in Horse
Power or Torque output of the BMW F650GS over baseline. Adding a
Techlusion TFI (1031) or "fuel nanny" and adjusting the pots for various
exhaust system modifications resulted in 1 HP increase over baseline.
The AdventurePipe aftermarket exhaust system added 3-4 HP between 3k and
5k RPM over baseline. Torque was also increased. Adding a snorkel
modification, K&N filter, or Techlusion to the F650GS with AdventurePipe
installed gave the same results noted above. These dyno tests were
performed in Denver at an altitude of 5,280 feet. Baseline was a stock
F650GS. It is possible that the results will be different at sea level,
especially the Techlusion system results since this device adds fuel to
the mix (bikes already run more rich at higher altitudes).
These test results indicate the most effective "bolt-on" modification
to increase F650GS Horse Power is an aftermarket exhaust system. But,
these dyno test results do not tell the whole story. Many F650GS/DAKAR
owners report a "seat of the pants" improvement from a snorkel
modification or K&N filter. This is most likely the result of better
throttle response from these modifications. Improved throttle response
provides better "driveability," especially at lower speeds and off-road
riding, and will provide more "snappy" power delivery. The Techlusion
system eliminates the surging problem found on many F650GS/DAKAR bikes,
and this again is improved "driveability." Driveability improvements can
be significant and can be just as important to the rider as an increase in
horse power.
Dyno Run #7: Dakar with 15T Sprocket
Thanks to bmwmarathon
Only modifications to the bike are a DID X-Ring chain and a 15-toothed
front sprocket. I'd be currious to see if anyone else has had their bike
dynoed and what kind of numbers/ modifications that have been made.